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Croatia and Airsoft
« am: 12:45, Fr 14. Okt. 2011 »
Erste Antwort des Kroatischen Innenministeriums:

Zitat
Dear Sir,

We refer you to an answer to a question, contact the Croatian Customs Administration (www.carina.hr). Surveillance, import and transfer of goods across the Croatian border is the responsibility of Customs.

Yours sincerely,
Public Relation
Republic of Croatia
Ministry of the Interior

-----Original Message-----
From: Josef Nemeth [mailto:mercerant@gmx.at]
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:45 PM
To: Pitanja MUP
Subject: Airsoft in Croatia

Dear Madam,
Dear Sir,

we are an international Group of Airsoft Players (from Austria, Sweden
and Germany) and would like to attend an Airsoft Event in Croatia.
Therefore we would like to ask about the legal situation of airsoft in
Croatia and the rules for importing our airsoftguns temporarily for
attending the game.

sincerely yours,

Josef Nemeth

XXXXstrasse XX
A-XXXX XXXXXstadt



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Zitat
Dear Madam,
Dear Sir,

thank you very much for your answer!
But Friends of ours had massive problems last time when they entered Croatia with their Airsoft Guns. They went to the customs and were later arrested and sent to court. They were accused that they did not report their import of Airsoft Guns to Croatia to the Croatian Police.
Therefore i contacted you. So this means that it is, as you inform us, not neccessary to specially inform the Croatian Police but it is enough for us to deal with the Croatian Customs?

Best Regards

Sincerely yours

Josef Nemeth

Zitat
Airsoft weapons are allowed to bring across the border if it has the same characteristics as the Painball.

 You must bring your certificate of technical characteristics of weapons which shows that the firearm is not dangerous to humans. (for life and health)


Zitat
Hello,



thank you very much again.

What is considered a suitable certificate of technical characteristics?

Is there an example document, or any info which data i has to conatin and who is allowed to make such a document that it is considered valid by the Croatian Officials?

BR

Josef Nemeth

Zitat
....any document that proves that this is not a prohibited weapon.

Zitat
Hello,



again thank you for your answer and forgive my multiple questions.

But is the Manual which was originally provided by the manufacturer such a Document?

BR

Josef Nemeth

Zitat
Yes.



Anfrage an den Kroatischen Zoll:

Zitat
Dear Madam,
Dear Sir,

as you can see by the attached Mail below, we were sent to contact you by the Croatian Ministry of Interior. Therefore we would like to forward our initial Question to you and hope that you can provide us with the needed Information.

We are an international Group of Airsoft Players (from Austria, Sweden
and Germany) and would like to attend an Airsoft Event in Croatia.
Therefore we would like to ask about the legal situation of airsoft in
Croatia and the rules for importing our airsoftguns temporarily for
attending the game.

sincerely yours,

Josef Nemeth


Antwort vom kroatischen Zoll:

Zitat
THE REPUBLIC OF CROATIA
MINISTRY OF FINANCE
CUSTOMS DIRECTORATE
CENTRAL OFFICE

KLASA: 413-01/11-14/1188
UR.BROJ:513-02-2220/02-11-06

Zagreb, 19 October 2011.
                              
                                                  
                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                  Mercerant@gmx.at                                           
                                                                                     

SUBJECT: Reply to an inquiry
                    - Airsoft in Croatia

Dear Mr Nemeth,

Regarding your inquiries, we hereby inform you as follows:
Foreign residents, as well as Croatian citizens having their usual place of residence in foreign countries, within the meaning of Annex B.6 of the Convention on Temporary Admission (Official Gazette - International agreements, No. 16/98) and Article 270 of the Regulation Implementing the Customs Act (Official Gazette No. 161/03 to 76/09), may be exempted from payment of customs duties and allowed to temporarily admit (with the obligation of re-export) various items for the purpose of their use for personal needs, as well as items for sports purposes.
Pursuant to Annex B.6 of the Convention on Temporary Admission, goods imported for sports purposes, which may include sports arms, have to be owned by the persons established or residing abroad and have to be imported in appropriate quantities with regard to the planned purpose of the temporary admission.
Within the meaning of customs regulations, items intended for sports purposes can be temporarily admitted in the Republic of Croatia without submission of customs documents and guarantees, possibly with submission of the “list of goods”. This list has to contain detailed data about the passenger and the goods, with one verified copy handed back to the passenger so that he/she may use it on re-export, as proof of the goods identity. Temporary admission can be performed by each passenger separately, for an air rifle which is in his/her ownership, or it can be performed by a sports association established in the Republic of Croatia, for arriving foreign athletes.
Considering that this specific case involves admission of sports arms, we would like to note that admission of weapons can be performed only at international border crossings, with mandatory report to the border police.
For the purpose of obtaining more information on admission of arms, we recommend that you address the Ministry of the Interior (http://www.mup.hr/), as it is the body competent for supervision of admission of weapons into the country.
Finally, we would like to point out that the information hereby given answer to your inquiry and they cannot be considered relevant in circumstances other than the ones described in your inquiry.


Faithfully yours,
   
                                                                              INFORMATION OFFICER - SPOKEPERSON
                                                                Mario Demirović
« Letzte Änderung: 16:31, Mi 19. Okt. 2011 von Jay »

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Re:Croatia and Airsoft
« Antwort #1 am: 17:07, Mi 19. Okt. 2011 »
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Re:Croatia and Airsoft
« Antwort #2 am: 17:50, Mi 19. Okt. 2011 »
Ok, to make things smoother:

- You have to list everything you're bringing, including all the "unimportant" stuff.
- Make the damned ATA Carnet..:) -> just bring the whole list of stuff and pay something
- Make a list of people coming: names, surnames, DoB and passport numbers, so we can make an official "Invitation Letter" with our club's memo and stamps
- Just to be sure, club "leaders" can make an "inhouse replica register" with chrono results and description of every gun for every team/club coming, so you can say the guns were tested in Austria before departure bla bla
- don't forget the passport!..:)

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Re:Croatia and Airsoft
« Antwort #3 am: 20:03, Mi 19. Okt. 2011 »
Can you pm me please a picture of one with the translated purpose how you got it?
If we need to address a reason why we want the carnet and it's only valid for countries which support this purpose.
For example sports equipment is not valid for croatia but for bosnia!
And according to the mails above the carnet is of no use to us.
You may need it to get them out of Croatia into different countries, but the official mails above state, they're not needed to bring them into the country.
cYa,

Martin


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Re:Croatia and Airsoft
« Antwort #4 am: 21:34, Mi 19. Okt. 2011 »
The thing is, the carnet is an official document that proves that your list of equipment that you're importing is legit.
I'm afraid that if you only print your list and present it to our customs or border police, without any government signatures or something, they can ignore it if they want to (not saying that they actually will ignore it, but just to be on the safe side).

I'll get my hands on the papers our guys used to travel to Hungary or Slovenia, and post them here.

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Re:Croatia and Airsoft
« Antwort #5 am: 22:13, Mi 19. Okt. 2011 »
Well, this is not stated in the sent mail from the customs department. Actually they would need to accept any written list we present since it is nowhere specified that it has to have any "official" certification.

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Re:Croatia and Airsoft
« Antwort #6 am: 01:53, Do 20. Okt. 2011 »
Didn't Jay and Falcon got into that similar Listing-Gear-Shit while entering Switzerland? Internal Ministry said: "Count everything, make a list and write it down." ... and finaly the customs ignored the list.  :(

We must be 100 % sure, otherwise we will loose our AEG's and eveb a lot of money.  :-\
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Re:Croatia and Airsoft
« Antwort #7 am: 01:56, Do 20. Okt. 2011 »
Achten talked to some guys here, and it looks like "Unless your country needs you to fill out the ATA, do it. Otherwise you just need a formal invitation."

He'll give the details if he got any.

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Re:Croatia and Airsoft
« Antwort #8 am: 01:58, Do 20. Okt. 2011 »
I think it would be wise to make it obligatory for every attending player to make a complete list of things he takes with him. And wheni say complete, i mean it!

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Re:Croatia and Airsoft
« Antwort #9 am: 12:44, Do 20. Okt. 2011 »
Didn't Jay and Falcon got into that similar Listing-Gear-Shit while entering Switzerland? Internal Ministry said: "Count everything, make a list and write it down." ... and finaly the customs ignored the list.  :(

We must be 100 % sure, otherwise we will loose our AEG's and eveb a lot of money.  :-\

It wasn't exactly like that. They had a small booklet for the weapon law there.
After reading it several times on the was it was not totally clear if the custom really was right or if the way of the IM was right.
But as we had something directly from the IM they decided to let us pass.
The main problem for the customs way was, that we would have had to fill a unique weapon number at the request sheet, but there is none.
So I asked the IM a few weeks before and they replied it is not necessary for airsoft guns.
Well, the rest is history. A little discussion, showing the official mail, again discussion and we were allowed to pass.
cYa,

Martin